Talk:Old Post Office Pavilion

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Requested move 17 September 2016

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Correction needed

Under section 7.4, the article states "with Trump using his personal funds to pay for the redevelopment"

This is erroneous. The renovation was financed via a loan from Deutsche Bank, as shown here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2813432-UCC-170-Million.html#document/p1/a291486 -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.212.92 (talk) 00:29, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

• True enough. Unfortunately, the press didn't do its job investigating at the time (as far as I can tell), so the article reflects what was reported at the time. It's been reported fairly recently, though, in at least two reliable sources WaPo and MotherJones; I'll add it to the article soon unless someone else does it first. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 06:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Tried to move this to new section, didn't work. Maybe someone can help? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 06:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Fixed (I hope). Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 06:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 06:06, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

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up-date needed

"Construction was scheduled to start in 2014, perhaps as early as the first three months of the year.[130][132][134][140] The new Trump International Hotel is scheduled to open in the second half of 2016.[134][136][137][141]

With the lease signed, Ivanka Trump said construction would begin immediately after the building was turned over to The Trump Organization.[133]" - It has already opened. wtop.com/real-estate/2016/10/photos-inside-trumps-luxury-dc-hotel/ Kdammers (talk) 20:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Erroneous title - no building is named "Old Post Office Pavilion"

The National Park service still manages what it calls "old post office tower".

The old post office Pavilion has become a notable hotel, which is what this article should be about. Or else split and create separate pages - one for the hotel page and another for the defunct post office.

Quit the erroneous or partisan editing and keep it strictly objective and NPOV. Readers aren't supposed to be misled while searching for the hotel in wikipedia, as nowadays increasingly the hotel is being mentioned by more and more sources without additional mentioning of its former post office background, which therefore will mislead readers and unnecessarily force them to do multiple searches in (for example) google before connecting the dot and arriving at this page. Loginnigol (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

You may want to launch a new move request. Please note the discussion above from September which resulted in keeping the current name. However in the meantime the hotel has been inaugurated so a new discussion is warranted. -- JFG ^talk 18:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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nytimes.com 25 August 2017

Trump Hotel at Night: Lobbyists, Cabinet Members, $60 Steaks

I'm no native speaker and woukd be glad if someone would use this source in the article. --Neun-x (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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Page move

@Corker1:You moved the page without prior discussion but didn't archive the talk page of "Old Post Office Pavilion" which included last year's discussion whose result was to not move. In that discussion (which was about moving to the hotel's name) alternative names were also discussed; I assume it is archived somewhere but I have no idea how to get it back. The building isn't just "historically known as the Old Post Office and Clock Tower", so why not use that instead of the current name? Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

@Space4Time3Continuum2x: The talk page of "Old Post Office Pavilion" was archived on the Wayback Machine on 15 February 2017 at Talk:Old Post Office Pavilion. The archived talk page shows that an editor made a request on 17 September 2016 to move the name to "Trump International Hotel Washington D.C.". There were more opposing comments than supporting comments regarding the move. There were seven comments opposing the move, two comments proposing a move to a different name, and one supporting comment. On 6 October 2016 a decision was made to not move the page.

One of the comments proposed that the page be moved to "Old Post Office and Clock Tower" because the National Register of Historic Places (NHRP) uses that name as an identifier. However, the page was not moved to that name. I concur with not moving the page to that name because the name is not and never was in common use. While perhaps useful for the purposes of the NHRP to distinguish the building from other "Old Post Office" buildings within the United States, the name "Old Post Office and Clock Tower" is too unwieldy to be in common use.

The name "Old Post Office Pavilion" is now obsolete, as the building no longer contains a "Pavilion" that resembles the one that existed before most of the building was converted to a hotel. The building was commonly identified as the "Old Post Office Building" before and during the time that Wikipedia identified the building as a "Pavilion". I therefore consider that the page should bear the name of "Old Past Office Building (Washington, D.C.)" at this time.

To accommodate the need to also identify a part of the building as the "Trump International Hotel Washington D.C.", I created a new section with that title when I moved the page to "Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.)". If anyone has a different suggestion for a new page name, please comment below. Corker1 (talk) 15:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Corker1: @Space4Time3Continuum2x: I have restored the article to its old title for now, and I've moved this conversation to the original talk page, which is the one you're discussing above. Given the above requested move discussion, and general disagreement about the exact naming, as well as the fact that the talk page got split, I think it's best to start an RM for this, as suggested by JFG above. Thanks  -- Amakuru (talk) 15:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Amakuru and Corker1. I'm not particularly attached to or fond of "Pavilion" wich was probably a misnomer from the start and now is obsolete since the food court is gone. I also tended toward "Old Post Office and Clock Tower" during the discussion last year but didn't know when and how to propose another move; it isn't that much longer than building . The GSA seems to refer to the structure as the "Old Post Office Building" with an upper case B while all other sources I have found use a lower case b or just refer to it as the Old Post Office. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 19:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Amakuru: Thanks for restoring order; I still would support a new page move discussion. My personal preference would be simply "Old Post Office (Washington D.C.)" in the same vein as a bunch of articles named Old Post Office (somewhere). Anybody may open a WP:move request by following the process outlined there. -- JFG ^talk 20:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 December 2017

Old Post Office Pavilion -> Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.) - The existing page name ("Old Post Office Pavilion") is obsolete, because the building no longer contains a pavilion (construction of the Trump International Hotel Washington D.C. removed the food court and associated retail establishments). While the National Register of Historic Places identifies the building as the "Old Post Office Building and Clock Tower", this name is unwieldy and has never been in common use. A 17 December 2016 request to rename and move the page to "Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C." has been rejected. My prior page move to "Old Post Office Building (Washington, D.C.)" has been reverted, with a recommendation to initiate a new page move request (see discussion above). I therefore request this page move and renaming. Corker1 (talk) 05:15, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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